We always spell out the number, and then represent the number with digits. I wonder how many people spell out large numbers and then put the numerals in parentheses. Thank you (you) for reading my blog (blog). A fourth full stop should be added if this comes at the end of a sentence. I personally (myself) prefer people who are not so categorical and think of different situations where such use may be legit and useful. If the number was 100, someone might mistake it for a reference to the bathroom (“loo”). I (I) appreciate your comments (comments) about the topic of putting numbers (numbers) in parentheses (parentheses). Unlikely, but real estate and trusts & estate lawyers are extremely conservative, and are generally reluctant to part with any of their precious synonyms. The irony is that many people who do this think it makes them more sophisticated. It was painful. For the second source, if, say, ’57’ somehow gets transposed to ’75’ in someone’s brain sometime between reading the number from the original and typing it into their document, chances are they’re going to write wrong twice because that’s what’s in their head. I looked it up on Wikipedia, and I searched around the Interwebs a bit to find the source of the style, and it seems to be based in legal terminology, though even that seems specious. Writers make mistakes when they write. Even more painful was that the typewriters had no marks on the keys, so we really had to learn to touch-type! And yet people still continue doing it to this day (darn it!) Common style manuals like AP and Chicago suggest that numbers from one to ten be spelled-out, and that numbers larger than ten be typed as numerals. think about it, and then do what’s needed. I use VBA programming to double check all the quantities and such in my final documents against the calc sheets. The referencing text should refer to the section number in which the definition appears (and the referencing text must be consistent): The other 99% are people trying to appear smarter than they are by repeating a practice they saw elsewhere. The only scenario where adding the number provides clarity is one in which the text is already correct. I’m a little confused as to the month you are referring. I get the whole redundancy thing. And even with landline telegraphs, distracted operators could copy numbers incorrectly. But parentheses do serve a few specific functions. This is an issue that commonly arises in academic writing, particularly when inserting additional information about an in-text reference. The point…there are a lot of people in the world today that are stupid or the writer needs to make sure they understand what they are reading. Or consider the flow-on effect of our helping computers do their job. The point of my blog, and the ongoing comments, is that this practice is silly. I have on occasion seen it reach a level of ridiculousness. Today, with a Word document, a 7 never looks like a 9. The parentheses indicate a number, rather than a misspelling, a homonym, or other. You do what we do – check the numbers several times! On the correct use of brackets: Acceptable Use. Thank you for making ME laugh! I like your suggestion as to the roots of the word (number) boilerplate process. It appears to widespread in engineering specifications and legal documents. The next word should normally begin with a capital letter. When a contract had a number written in words in one place and in numerals in another place, sometimes the numbers differed. And they make up their own acronyms, and you don’t know what they mean? And regarding Kristy’s above comment of writing out “One (1) g – Chemical X” because the 1 is important … isn’t the g also important? And how about those people who insist on using acronyms for everything? It’s dumb, and I continue to assert that I don’t think we need to do this. I can’t remember what other substitutes there may have been, possibly using the letter O for zero. For example: on the door were written the words ‘no entry’. In the days before copies, that saved typing time, but by then a single numeral could be illegible. 5. English has well degenerated and is on its way to becoming that undefined. Am I going to try to put five (5) screws in four (4) screw holes? From this point on in the document I’ll use the initial-ism when referring to the title. Example, “The revised plan shows (8) conduits with only (6) being used. Thank you for this suggestion. But do you remember the 2nd, or even 3rd carbon copy? For example, ‘cars, trucks, vans, and tractors’. Saved by the wire (and the fiber-optic cable). I really really want to send this to my boss but fear he would not be amused… Here is what I get …we assume three (3) meetings will be attended by one (1) project manager, at four (4) hours per meeting (including preparation time, travel, and meeting notes) and one (1) – two (2) hour (including travel) site visit by a project manager. Such as: Included are Two (2) 2 Pole Breakers, Five (5) 480V Disconnects, and Fifty (50) widgets. For the first source, it’s really easy to mistype numerals because of how they’re laid out on the keyboard, but I would say it’s borderline impossible to mistype a spelled-out number in such a way that it will be interpreted as a different number. We all make mistakes, but we make mistakes in both words and numbers. That would be really important if you wanted to know how many tanks the enemy has in their attacking force. My suspicion regarding the main thrust of the post is that perhaps it is a compromise between deference to a Manual of Style requirement for written numbers (as you have mentioned) and the practicality/clarity of numerals. For whatever reason, when attorneys draft contracts they don’t just write the numerals like regular people. I received three (3) notes on this post just this week! To ensure computers order their dates correctly in, say, file names, good practice writes numbers in those file names with the maximum number of digits they’ll ever have (i.e. Thank you all for your comments. Thank you for your thoughtful comment on my post. Aidan’s comments are greatly appreciated. I seldom write in one shot and so will use numbers for the draft but change it after. Gosh! Do these extra words actually have some critical meaning? This sounds logical. Parenthetical words, phrases, and clauses are usually remarks from the writer, informative side-notes, introduced abbreviations, definitions, translations, examples, cross-references to … How about writing a cheque? Today it seems unusual, so I’ll break the habit. But this blog is quite interesting and shows the colour (color) of our mix society. Especially, when different writing styles have different guiding principles on when to use numerals or when to spell out a number. Best wishes, and thank you for your two cents’ worth. 5 After certain kinds of introductory words. After a while I noticed that he would put the numeric representation first and then the word equivalents on the list of how many of what needed to be ordered from the warehouse. I just find it tedious, and mostly unnecessary. I don’t think it is uncharitable or unrealistic to assume that the reader could either accidentally or intentionally misinterpret the figure presented in a written publication. I put numbers in parentheses after each written numeral as I know the documents I work on will be audited and my email correspondance can be used as evidence in my line of work. Let me go to the ATM machine and give you my PIN number. There are plenty of other things for you to worry about, hopefully you don’t worry about what the maximum stress on a support beam on a jet aircraft is, or if the number had a typo which might have been avoided by this method. I do not use it in any other manner outside explicit quotes and tenders. Who would know? I think this encourages some to deliberately create stuff that looks weird. I always just write the numerals in documents I do, and double check them, but about 95% of lawyers continue the ancient practice because “that’s the way it is done,” without ever stopping to ask why. Thank you for your comment. that the writer did not go to Paris, and the reason he or she did not go to Paris was that the meeting was cancelled. 1O=10. Why do they assume that catastrophic errors can only occur if a quantity in a document is wrong? 4 After certain kinds of introductory clause. Also, they either they didn’t have a key for all of the numbers from 0 to 9, and so they used the letter L (lower case) for the number one. Readers make mistakes when they read. Are you more likely to make a mistake writing the numbers our in words, or just putting them in Arabic numerals? Whenever I see two(2) numbers, one written and one numeral in parentheses, I assume the author wants me to multiply them. I was a commercial pilot. So, if the written version is the legal version, then we don’t even need the numerical version. She writes all her numbers twice (2). It’s usually awkward, and it always interrupts the flow of reading. Thousands of people have read it, and it has been the subject of searches tens of thousands of times.) I.e., if the writer had bad hand writing, the digits were good measure that everyone would have the same interpretation. I’m quite satisfied with the simple answer – and now I try to apply it so up to two digits I make a point to have it spelt and beyond use numerals. How many times have you written the wrong date? The prevailing view in common law jurisdictions was that the meaning of legal documents should be ascertained from the words of the document and their context rather than from punctuation. This makes it extremely hard to read and potentially highly ambiguous. In my legal work I avoid the practice because I find it inserts into a document yet one more opportunity for errors. For example, ‘He said, “my lawyer is a genius!” ‘. For contracts longer than about nine or ten pages, it is recommended that the terms defined in the body of the contract are referenced in the definitions article. (3) Year old post on a (4) year old thread, but I’d like to add my two (2) cents because I believe it’s pretty intuitive. One of the purposes of the annual meeting is: This prevents the two numerals from being mistaken as one number. Does the author think I’m stupid? Instead, attorneys typically write out numbers in words as well as add the numerals in parentheses. Or do they think that I don’t know my numbers? The reason is that each contractor comes automatically equipped with a lawyer on retainer. That’s quite common and agreed upon by most writer’s guides. The 1 and the l are exactly the same in some fonts, less so in others. Which one is correct? From now on it is September Sixteenth (16), two thousand fifteen (2015). Don’t succumb to RAS syndrome (redundant acronym syndrome syndrome). He was absolutely certain, however, that the fact that writing out the number in words tended to run up the bill for the message, which was calculated on the number of characters sent, had nothing at all to do with the practice. And let’s not forget another important group of people: Business people, party counsel, judges, jurors, and arbitrators can be influenced by what they think is right and fair — and sometimes, the wording of the contract’s terms can make a difference.
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